Monsters...
怪物...
Are metaphors.
是一种隐喻
I don't think you appreciate
我不认为你能欣赏
the gut reaction people have to these things.
人们对这些事的剧烈反应
They do represent a lot of our
它们确实代表了许多
Deeper psychological fears.
我们心灵深处的恐惧
Pennywise is a manifestation of evil.
潘尼怀斯就是邪恶的化身
He's made of fantasies and the creators are children.
他由孩子们的幻想组成
When people ask me
当人们问到我...
"What are the ones that are your favorite movies?"
“你最喜欢的改编电影有哪些？”
I always mention "Cujo."
我总要提到《狂犬惊魂》
It's a really intense
这是一部紧张刺激
go-for-the-throat film.
直逼咽喉的电影
I loved "Gremlins."
我爱《小魔怪》
The Jekyll-and-Hyde component
那种变身怪医式的设定
of these little cute characters and that they turn into these...
这些娇小可爱的生物变成了这些...
Crazy monsters...
疯狂的怪物...
I mean, the Gremlins are us.
那些小魔怪就是我们
Clear.
离手
My favorite of all time
我一直以来最爱的电影
is John Carpenter's "The Thing."
就是约翰·卡朋特的《怪形》
"American Werewolf in London," "The Howling"--
《美国狼人在伦敦》《破胆三次》
those movies were really
这些电影都诞生于
the age of make-up effects.
实体特效化妆的时代
Werewolves will kick
狼人随时都能
vampires' ass any day.
吊打吸血鬼
There is a lot to fear in nature.
大自然中潜伏着诸多恐惧
The natural world is turning on us
当我们以不当的方式对待自然界
'cause we have mistreated it in some way.
自然界便会与我们为敌
"Jaws," for me, was the one.
《大白鲨》对我来说是独一无二的
That was the one that terrified me.
是那部最令我恐惧的电影
That's a monster.
那才是怪物
That's a true monster.
那才是真生的怪物
时间轴/翻译：@黑路易
伊莱·罗斯的恐怖历史
杀戮怪物
Monsters hold a special place
怪物在恐怖电影历史上
in the history of horror.
占据了重要的地位
The killer predators in nature...
自然界的杀手捕食者...
The nightmare creatures of the fantastic
还有奇幻世界的梦魇生物
and the monsters inside us
以及藏在我们体内的怪物
waiting to escape.
伺机挣脱束缚
They can be frightening
它们可以令人丧胆...
Or fun...
也可以令人捧腹...
Or both.
也可以二者兼备
Whatever their size or shape
无论体型大小
whether they're humanoid or utterly alien
无论是人形生物还是异星异形
monsters are reflections of ourselves.
怪物都是我们自身的投影
They do represent a lot of our...
它们代表了我们许多的...
Deeper psychological fears.
深层心理上的恐惧
迈克·道赫蒂
导演 代表作《哥斯拉II：怪兽之王》
We sort of design them to represent everything
我们设计的怪物代表了一切
that we feel is ugly about ourselves.
一切我们自身的丑陋之处
导演：安德斯·穆斯切蒂
《小丑回魂》(2017)
Time to float.
该漂浮了
The latest addition to the monster hall of fame
最近加入怪物名人堂的
Is Pennywise the clown
便是小丑潘尼怀斯了
the killer creature at the heart
2017年的票房巨头中
Of the 2017 blockbuster.
故事中心的杀戮怪物
"It."
《小丑回魂》
Based on the 1986 novel
改编自1986年的小说
by legendary horror writer Stephen King
由传奇恐怖作家史蒂芬·金创作
"It" tells the story of seven young outcasts
《小丑回魂》讲述了七个不合群的年轻人
in Derry, Maine.
在缅因州德里镇的故事
They battle an ancient evil that emerges
他们对抗了一个自上古而来
every 27 years to kill the town's children.
每隔27年就出现屠杀镇上儿童的邪恶存在
Some of the greatest horror films of all time
很多史上最伟大的恐怖电影
all sprang from the literary works
都脱胎于一个人的文学作品
of Stephen King.
就是史蒂芬·金
He has the most vivid imagination
他有着最为生动的想象力
and he takes you to the strangest places
能带你去到最诡丽的地方
but the anchor is always
但是万变不离其宗的
the--the human emotion.
是人类的情感
芭芭拉·穆斯切蒂
制片人 代表作《小丑回魂》(2017)
Uh, without that it's not King.
没有情感，就不是金氏文学
I s--saw something too.
我也看到什么了
I remember the summer the book came out
我还记得这本书上市的那个夏天
伊莱·罗斯
everyone was reading it.
所有人都在读
We all had our, like, copies of "It," this big
身边每个人都拿着厚厚一本《小丑回魂》
no matter where we were.
无论身在何处
Do you enjoy watching adaptations, or--
你觉得改编电影好看吗
-Or is it--has it evolved? -Sure, yeah.
-电影有所升华吗？ -当然了
No, I--I like to watch adaptations and, uh...
我其实很爱看改编电影
斯蒂芬·金
作家
I'm always interested to see
我总是很好奇
What people do with the stuff.
别人会如何演绎同样的故事
It's perfect.
这太完美了
It was a mainstream movie that was rated "R."
这是一部R级的主流电影
It played like a family film. Everyone--again, it became
却像家庭型电影一样适合所有人...
the movie you were dared to see.
这是一部让人敢看的电影
It grossed $700 million worldwide.
而且狂揽了全球7亿票房
And not only that, it was a good film.
不仅如此，这是一部优秀的电影
Beep beep, Richie.
哔，哔，里奇
I wanted to be true to the spirit of--
我希望能保持小说里的
of the story and the characters.
故事还有角色设定
The first goal was to-to make it different
首要目标就是让这一部
安德斯·穆斯切蒂
导演
代表作《小丑回魂》(2017)
from--from Tim Curry interpretation...
与蒂姆·克里的版本区别开来
there was something about Pennywise that--
哔，哔，里奇
导演：汤米·李·华莱士
《小丑回魂》(1990)
there was something about Pennywise that--
我觉得关于潘尼怀斯
that wasn't covered there.
还有没呈现的部分
Bill!
比尔！
I also wanted to bring a weird balance
我还想要给一个孩子和一个怪物之间
of--of a monster and a child.
带去某种平衡
If you see the--the design of the monster
如果仔细看这个怪物的设计
he has, like, child-like features.
会发现他带着孩童一样的特点
He's like roundy face and--
有着圆圆的脸
and, you know, the bucky teeth.
还有突出的龅牙
And one of the things that I consider important
其中一点我认为很重要的一点是
is that one of his eyes would be, uh, strabismic
他有一只眼睛是斜视的
so it was pointing out.
一直看向另一边
I will take him.
我要抓走他
Only him.
只有他
Andy shot the fuck out of that movie.
安迪那部电影真是拍得太棒了
When Georgie is running down the gutter
在乔治沿街跑到下水口时
after the--the boat
那只小船...
it looks...
一切看起来...
like a real rain storm.No!
就像是真正的暴风雨
It doesn't look like a sunny day
完全不像是在晴天里
where people ran a rain machine.
开着人工造雨机器
I should get going now.
我现在该走了
Uh, without your boat?
呃，不要你的船了吗？
Opening is a masterpiece.
那段开场戏真是杰作
There is a reason why it's, like, the scene that
这段戏能够被人争相模仿
昆汀·塔伦蒂诺
导演
you know, has created a thousand parodies--
不是没有原因的
'cause it's that good.
这段戏就是这么棒
Help!
救命！
Pennywise's creepy hand
潘尼怀斯的怪手
starts to stretch across the- the street...
开始伸向街的另一边
Billy!
比利！
莱恩·图雷克
制片人 怖屋监制出品
That is nightmare fuel.
这真让人做噩梦
And what the director, Andy Muschietti
导演安德斯·幕斯切蒂所做到的
was able to do so well is maintain that nightmare fuel
也就是成功地在电影片长时间内
throughout the rest of the runtime.
保持这种让人做噩梦的状态
What the hell? Put the map back.
怎么回事？把地图挂回去
The projection scene
投影仪这场戏
Is one of the most impactful ones
是最有冲击力的场景之一
because it sets you up for something.
因为这里铺垫了很多
And then it really surprises you.
而且非常出乎人意料
Billy!
比利！
It is really about the horrors of society.
故事真正表达的是社会的恐怖之处
The scariest things in that book
书中最恐怖的部分
迪亚波罗·科蒂
编剧 代表作《詹妮弗的肉体》
are not supernatural.
并不是超自然的部分
The scariest things in that book are...
书中最恐怖的部分是...
racism.
种族歧视...
Stay the fuck out of my town!
滚出老子的地盘！
Misogyny...
厌女情节...
She'll do you.
她会跟你做的
You just gotta ask nicely.
只要你问得客气点
And child abuse.
还有虐待儿童
Tell me you're still my little girl.
告诉我你依然是我的小女孩
Yes, Daddy.
是的，爸爸
Beverly's sexual abuse
贝弗利的父亲
by her father is shown to be
对她施加的性暴力
very much connected, we know
与来自外界的“它”的威胁
with the external threats embodied by It.
表现出很强的关联性
Hey, Bevvie.
嗨，贝弗
Are you still my little girl?
你还是我的小女孩吗？
But it also reminds us
但这也提醒了我们
the most unimaginable, horrific things
最无从想象的恐怖事件
really do happen.
确实会发生
Tasty, tasty
美味的，美味的
beautiful fear.
美丽的恐惧
Fears are never just imaginary.
恐惧绝不是只存在于想象中
Eddie!
埃迪！
This isn't real enough for you, Billy?
这对你来说不够真实吗？比利？
I'm not real enough for you?
我对你来说不够真实吗？
It was real enough for Georgie!
我跟乔治可是玩真的了！
The clowns hate me. I just tell people
职业小丑们都恨死我了，但我说
"Don't hate the messenger for the message."
“别因为坏消息而迁怒信使”
Kids are scared to death of clowns
孩子们怕小丑怕得要命
and--and, you know, clowns are a natural disguise
而小丑则是一种天然的伪装
for monsters because you never know
是那些从未见过的怪物的伪装
what's under that makeup.
在那层油彩之下
"It" gave us a monster drawn from our childhood fears...
《小丑回魂》带来了源自童年阴影的恐惧
But some creatures tap into different parts of our brains.
另一些怪物则植根于我们脑内其他部分
You gotta be fucking kidding.
你他妈在开玩笑吧
Our dread that others
我们害怕身边的人...
are not what they seem...
并不是表面看起来的样子
And our secret desire
还有我们秘密渴望的
to act upon our wildest impulses.
遵从内心最野蛮的冲动
Why are monsters of the fantastic so popular?
为什么幻想类的怪物如此受欢迎？
Perhaps it's because they can do anything they want.
也许是因为它们可以为所欲为
Monsters don't have to follow the rules--
怪物们不需要遵守任何规则
That's why kids love them.
这就是为什么孩子们喜爱它们
Especially monsters who enjoy behaving badly.
特别是尤其爱捣乱的怪物
Monsters like gremlins.
比如小魔怪
导演：乔·丹特
《小魔怪》(1984)
You're kidding.
你在开玩笑吧
I loved "Gremlins" growing up.
我从小就喜欢《小魔怪》
My parents took myself and my sister to see it.
我父母带着我和妹妹去看过
I think we were all expecting
我们当时以为
迈克·道赫蒂
导演 代表作《哥斯拉II：怪兽之王》
something along the lines of "E.T."
要看的是和《E.T.》差不多的电影
I just call him Gizmo.
我要叫他小玩意
He seems to like it.
他好像挺喜欢的
It had that Amblin-Spielberg presentation
电影带有那种斯皮尔伯格和安柏林风格的介绍
but what nobody told you is that it turns into
但没人告诉你后来会变成...
a balls-to-the-wall horror movie.
一部实打实的恐怖片
You know, there's some things I forgot to tell you guys
有几件事我忘记告诉你们了
and they're really important.
而且这非常重要
Keep him away from water...
不要让他沾到水...
Don't ever feed him after midnight...
不要在午夜后喂他吃东西...
I loved- I love that--that movie.
我非常, 非常爱这部电影
The Jekyll-and-Hyde component
那种变身怪医式的设定
大卫·阿奎特
演员
of these little cute characters
这些小可爱
and that they turn into these crazy monsters.
会变成那些疯狂的怪物
I'll never forget the entire audience
我绝不会忘记整场的观众
just leaping and screaming and applauding with it.
都在惊叫着上蹿下跳或者喝彩叫好
And it was just so bizarre and so different
它是如此与众不同而奇异
than anything we had seen in the '80s up until then.
与任何八十年代的电影都不一样
That perfect mix of laughter and screaming.
欢笑与尖叫的完美结合
I've been criticized by certain studio executives over the years
多年以来我都被一些制片人诟病
for--
因为...
乔·丹特
导演
代表作《小魔怪》
"Is this supposed to be a horror movie or a comedy?"
“这到底是想拍恐怖片还是喜剧片？”
And, um, I find the two genres
但我认为两种类型片
very closely aligned.
是紧密结合的
I grew up on the James Whale films
我从小看詹姆斯·威尔的电影长大
and, uh, Whale's pictures were always mordantly comic.
威尔的电影总是带有尖刻的喜剧色彩
and he was not afraid to mix tones.
而且他敢于融合不同的基调
They've asked for it, the country bumpkins.
导演：詹姆斯·威尔
《隐形人》(1933)
都是他们自找的，乡巴佬
This will give them a bit of a shock.
这会让他们大吃一惊的
The Invisible Man- who is certifiably crazy--
隐形人——一个公认的疯子
does a lot of funny things.
做了许多滑稽的事情
Uh, but then in the middle of doing something funny
但在他做那些滑稽事的同时
he'll kill somebody.
他会杀人
I think I'll throttle you.
我想我要掐死你
Let go of me!
放开我！
Then all of a sudden your laugh catches in your throat.
突然之间你的笑声哽在了喉咙里
That's always fascinated me, that dichotomy.
这种分裂感总是让我着迷
Gremlins are us.
小魔怪就是我们
The gremlins are the absolute worst aspects
小魔怪就是人性中的
of humanity manifested
最糟糕的部分
as these little reptilian, snarling
化为了这些吐着信子的冷血动物
mischievous monsters.
这些捣蛋的小怪物
And that's what makes them so great.
这就是电影的伟大之处
Especially in the scene where they're fighting
特别是他们与菲比·凯茨
with Phoebe Cates in the bar.
在酒吧里争斗的那场戏
It's like every single gremlin
就好像每一个小魔怪
looks like someone you might see
看起来都像会在平常酒吧里
in a seedy bar.
见到的某个人
The studio didn't really understand the movie.
制片厂并不理解这部电影
They didn't get it when they saw it
当时试映的时候没有理解
they didn't get it when it came out--
后来上映之后也没有理解
they just were happy that it was making money.
他们只是很高兴电影赚了大钱
Are moviegoers so desperate
影迷们已经如此绝望
for entertainment that this is the trash passed for fun?
把包装好的垃圾当成娱乐了吗？
Wait a minute!
等一等！
It was ripped off all over the place.
电影一时间出了无数山寨作品
米克·加里斯
主创
代表作《恐怖大师》
"The Ghoulies"
《马桶妖怪》
And "Critters"--
还有《魔精》
And yes, I did "Critters 2."
是的，我还拍了《魔精 II》
Look at the size of their leader.
看哪个带头的有多大
导演：米克·加里斯
《魔精 II》(1988)
There were so many little creature movies--
有这么多关于小怪物的电影
little puppet movies-because they were
这些用木偶道具拍的电影
relatively cheap to make-unless you did them well.
因为这相对便宜些...如果使用得当的话
The first "Gremlins," I think, was $10 million
第一部《小魔怪》成本大概一千万美元
but the second one was $60 million.
但第二部有六千万美元
导演：乔·丹特
《小魔怪 II》(1990)
Is everybody here?
大家都在吗？
All right, then!
那么好的！
To me, "Gremlins" was really great gateway horror.
《小魔怪》是一部很棒的入门恐怖片
By gateway horror I'm referring to...
“入门恐怖片”指的是...
Movies that are scary enough
一部足够恐怖
for the whole family.
能吓到全家人的电影
导演：迈克·道赫蒂
《克朗普斯》(2015)
I think it's good for kids to watch scary movies.
我认为小孩子多看些恐怖片很有好处
Omi!
奥米！
It makes you learn how to process fear.
这能学习到对恐惧情绪的处理
on a physical and mental level.
在精神和心理层面上
I think your kid will probably be more messed up
我认为如果不给孩子看任何吓人的东西
if you don't show them anything scary
那问题才大呢
'cause they won't be prepared for the real world
因为这样他们对真实世界毫无准备
which is actually terrifying.
而真实世界是非常骇人的
If "Gremlins" is the lighter side of killer creatures,
如果《小魔怪》是
导演：约翰·卡朋特
《怪形》(1982)
杀戮怪物的光明面
John Carpenter's "The Thing"
约翰·卡朋特的《怪形》
Is the darkest of the dark.
则是黑暗面中最阴暗的地方
The film's shape-shifters
电影中的变形怪
embody our most paranoid suspicions
脱胎于我们的疑神疑鬼
that the people we know and trust
认为身边熟知而信任的人
are actually inhuman monsters.
其实是非人的怪物
"The Thing" is about a remote outpost
《怪形》发生在一个位于南极洲
in Antarctica, and they find an alien in the ice.
偏远的科考站附近冰层中找到了外星生物
And what this alien winds up doing
然而这个外星生物的能力
史蒂夫·奈尔斯
作家
代表作《三十极夜》
is it will--it will replicate
是能够模仿成
anything it can see.
任何它遇到的生物
It needs to be alone and in close proximity
需要与它想吸收的生命体
with the life-form to be absorbed.
近距离独处才可以
Slowly, it's knocking off...
慢慢地，它一个接一个...
each cast member one by one.
干掉了基地内的所有人
By mid-film, you don't know who's who
到了电影中段，已经分不清谁是谁了
and they have to figure out who's The Thing so they can survive.
于是角色们为了活下来必须找出谁是怪形
The blood from one of you things
你们其中那个怪形的血
won't obey when it's attacked.
在受到攻击时会反击
It'll try and survive.
会尽全力存活
The horror of sort of truism was...
恐怖电影界有一条真理
things can be real good and scary
只要怪物不露面
until you see the monster
电影就能保持恐怖又好看
and, uh, Rob Bottin- the special effects guy--
而负责特效制作的罗伯·博汀则说
said, "Well, what if we show them the monster constantly?"
“如果我们一直展现怪物的样子呢？”
But the trick is that the monster is
但技巧就在于这个怪物
a different monster every time.
每次出现都是不同的样子
I mean, that's just brilliantly leaning into the problem.
这简直是天才地利用了这个问题
I took my girlfriend to see "The Thing,"
我带我女朋友去看了《怪形》
and she sat in the theater
她在电影院里
格里高利·尼克特洛
执行制片人/导演
代表作《行尸走肉》
almost vomiting in her hands...
差点呕吐出来
And was so angry at me.
而且跟我非常生气
"Why would you take me to this movie?"
“你怎么能带我来看这个？”
It's so gory and it's so grotesque but, like, it's--
电影确实非常血腥而具冲击力，但是
it's amazing! What are you talking about?
简直棒极了！你说什么呢？
It's like the holy grail of horror movies.
这简直是恐怖电影界的圣杯
It's a perfect movie.
这是部完美的电影
It's also an unparalleled, uh--
其中所呈现的特效
《Fangoria》杂志主编(1985-2010)
of effects showcase.
也是无可比拟的
You know, we see these-these creatures that have
你看这些无定型的怪物
no real form or structure but that come from
并没有实质性的体型或生物结构
the deepest nightmares that we could possibly fathom.
但又来自于人类能想象的最深处的噩梦
"The Thing" and "Gremlins" are monsters drawn
《怪形》和《小魔怪》中的怪物
from our wildest fantasies.
取材自人类最狂野的幻想
Wait a minute.
等一下
You'll never run into either one of them.
但你绝对不会真的遇到它们
But some of the most terrifying movies ever made
然而一些史上最恐怖的电影
show us what might happen if everyday animals
向我们展示了日常所见的动物
became killer creatures.
变身杀戮猛兽的样子
Humans take their dominance
人类理所当然地
over nature for granted.
占领着自然界
But what if other species rose up against us?
但如果其他物种揭竿而起会如何？
Animals we consider friendly or harmless.
我们认为友善无害的动物
The fear of suddenly being
对于第一部表现身处...
At the bottom of the food chain
食物链底端的恐惧的电影
Is the premise of the first man versus nature horror film...
就是第一部人类对抗自然的恐怖电影...
导演：阿尔弗雷德·希区柯克
《群鸟》(1963)
Alfred Hitchcock's "The Birds."
希区柯克的《群鸟》
My name is Alfred Hitchcock.
我的名字是阿尔弗雷德·希区柯克
and I would like to tell you about my forthcoming lecture.
我想为你讲讲我将要上映的电影
It is about the birds
它是关于鸟的
and their age-long relationship with man.
还有鸟类与人类长久以来的关系
Such a bizarre thought
这是什么奇异的想法
that birds would attack us.
鸟类会攻击我们
To think of them all of a sudden
想象它们会突然之间
banding together.
联合起来
蒂比·海德莉
演员
代表作《群鸟》
That you would have to be wary every time
每次走出家门或是开门下车
you step out your door or get out of your car
无论干什么都要小心谨慎
or whatever is a very frightening thought.
这是个非常吓人的想法
"The Birds," at its heart, is a story
《群鸟》的故事核心
of a woman who, uh, is intrigued by a man
是一个女人对一个男人产生了兴趣
and kind of wants to get at the man.
并且想把男人搞到手
Are those lovebirds?
那些是爱情鸟吗？
No, those are, uh, redbirds.
不，那些是...红鸟
And the man is interested in the woman
男人也对女人很感兴趣
but is a little wary of her
但对她又有点警觉
because she's not his perfect idea
因为她不是他的理想型
of what a woman should be.
不是他认可的女人形象
I think she was a woman who was sure of herself.
我认为她是一个明确自己追求的女人
I--I don't think she was impressed with herself.
我不觉得她认为自己了不起
I just think she knew what she wanted
我只觉得她清楚自己想要什么
and, um, how to get it.
还有如何得到
What I love about "The Birds" is...
我喜欢《群鸟》的地方在于
There's no answer.
片中并没有答案
玛丽·哈伦
导演 代表作《美国精神病人》
You never know why it's happening
没人知道为什么会发生这种事
and that makes it so incredibly frightening.
而这一点让它更加恐怖了
厄内斯特·R·迪克森
导演/摄影师
When you can explain horror
当恐怖可以被解释时
it loses its mystery
它就失去了神秘感
and it ceases to become horrifying.
影片也不再吓人了
To take what most people consider
将人们常识中
伊利亚·伍德
演员/制片人
a pretty innocuous animal, like a--
这种无害的动物...
not an animal to be feared...
平时不会惧怕的动物
And to turn it into something that terrifying
变成一种令人恐惧的生灵
that still really works...
而且现在看依然奏效
I mean, that scene when she turns around
在那个场景中她转过身
and they're all sitting there is terrifying.
看见群鸟都待在那里...
It would be terrifying
如果在真实生活中经历这种事
for us to experience that in life.
那会非常令人恐惧的
Hitchcock was one of the first--
希区柯克是首批...
if not the first-live-action filmmaker
如此重视故事板作用的电影制作人
莱纳德·马尔廷
电影评论家/历史学家
to rely heavily on storyboards.
甚至可能是第一个
And that's one reason why...
这是他的电影如此...
his films are so effective, I think--
具有感染力的原因之一
because he didn't rely on
因为他并不是靠
happy accidents to make those scenes work.
一些美丽的巧合来让场景生动起来
He knew how they ought to be staged
他知道如何安排这些戏份
how they ought to be cut.
如何剪辑这些材料
Daddy!
爸爸！
I don't think that
我不认为...
there is much that Alfred Hitchcock missed
希区柯克在拍电影时
in making his movies.
有过任何遗漏
I mean, they were made for his audience
电影是为了他的观众所拍的
and he knew his audiences well.
并且他对自己的观众太了解了
That was just one of the most horrific things
那是当时我所见过的
I had ever seen at that point.
最恐怖的事情之一
You couldn't walk the street for fear of being attacked.
你甚至不能放心地走在路上
斯拉施
音乐家/制片人
That just always stuck with me.
这留下的阴影一直挥之不去
It was relentless and unforgiving.
电影简直毫不留情
I was supposed to go up the stairs--
戏中我应该走上台阶...
and of course by that time my character had seen
当然了那时我的角色已经看到了
all of the destruction
那些鸟所造成的
that the birds had caused--
那么多灾难
and I said to Alfred Hitchcock
我对希区柯克说
"Why would I go up there
“为什么明知道发生了什么...”
"knowing what's going on?
“我还是走了上去呢？”
Why would I do that?"
“我为什么要那样做？”
And he said
他说道
"Because I tell you to."
“因为我叫你这么做的”
At the beginning of the film, the Tippi Hedren character
电影开头蒂比·海德莉的角色
is assertive, very sexual
是非常自信坚定并且性感的
very sure of herself.
对自己十分确信
By the end of the film, uh, conservative forces
到了电影结尾，一种来自外界的...
from without reduce her
保守势力迫使她
to a sort of wordless, helpless woman
退化到了一种说不出话的无助女子
who, you know, basically has to be carried out of the house
甚至需要人搀扶着才能走出屋子
and is now afraid of everything.
并且开始害怕一切事物
In--in other words, a much more acceptable vision
换而言之就是一种更普遍接受的
of what a housewife should be.
家庭主妇形象
No.
不
No!
不要！
I think Alfred Hitchcock
我认为希区柯克
was born to scare people.
就是为了吓人而生的
To make them uneasy- frighten them severely--
让人不安，让人吓破胆
and also really make them think.
同时也让人思考
I think he relished that.
我认为他以此为乐趣
Did he take it too far in his private life?
他在私人生活中太过分了吗？
Probably.
可能吧...
Probably.
可能吧
He had his own motion picture going on inside.
在他的内心世界上演着自己的电影
"The Birds" is a masterful suspense film
《群鸟》是一部大师级的悬疑电影
and a disturbing projection
同时也是希区柯克内心
of Alfred Hitchcock's conflicted feelings
各种面对女性的矛盾感受
about female sexuality.
充满不安的投影
In the film "Cujo"-
电影《狂犬惊魂》
导演：刘易斯·蒂格
《狂犬惊魂》(1983)
adapted from Stephen King's 1981 novel--
改编自斯蒂芬·金
出版于1981年的小说
another normally harmless animal
另一种无害友善的动物
punishes a woman for her sins.
对一个女人的罪恶施加了惩罚
One of your adaptations that I think everyone
我认为在你的改编电影中
who's seen it loves it is "Cujo..."
人见人爱的一部就是《狂犬惊魂》了
-Yeah. -Lewis Teague's film.
-是的 -刘易斯·蒂格导演
That movie was terrifying.
那部电影非常吓人
I was petrified.
我被惊到目瞪口呆
When people ask me, "What are the ones
当人们问到我...
斯蒂芬·金
作家
that are your favorite movies?"
“你最喜欢的改编电影有哪些？”
I always mention "Cujo."
我总要提到《狂犬惊魂》
This is about a woman who's dealing with a lot
电影讲述了一个女人身陷于...
regarding her husband and this man
关于她丈夫和她的情夫之间
She's having an affair with, and this...
纷乱的情感纠葛
Sin that she has committed- which is infidelity--
还有她犯下的罪过，也就是不忠
and now paying the ultimate price for that.
而现在她必须为此付出巨大的代价
To me, horror is always situational.
对我来说，恐怖作品都是情景式的
It's something where you say to yourself...
就好比你决定这样设定...
"Okay, we're gonna put a woman
“我们让一个女人...”
"and a boy in--in the car
“同一个小男孩困在车里...”
and then we're gonna see what happens."
“然后我们看事情会怎样发展”
When you've got, um
外部的威胁不仅有...
not just the rabid dog, Cujo
不仅有发病的狂犬库丘在外
uh, but then you've got her son who--
还有她生病的儿子...
who's having these seizures, and it becoming sweltering
不时会癫痫发作，而且由于被困车内
in the car that she's trapped in
车厢里的温度不断升高
and you just feel the anxiety
可以清楚感受到那种焦虑
莱恩·图雷克
制片人 怖屋监制出品
and the, uh, claustrophobia.
以及幽闭恐惧症的感觉
It's a really intense movie.
这是一部非常紧张的电影
Part of the--the greatness of that film
电影的伟大之处还在于
is the performance by Dee Wallace.
迪·沃伦斯的优秀演绎
It was extraordinary.
真的是非常优秀
《Fangoria》杂志主编(1985-2010)
You know, you really feel her pain, you really feel
你能真切感受到她经历的痛苦
how distraught she is, and you feel
她后来的急躁与悲伤
those survival instincts that kick in
以及当身陷困境时
when the trouble starts.
发作的求生本能
Well, what actress wouldn't want the opportunity
有哪个演员不想得到这种机会
迪·沃伦斯
演员
代表作《狂犬惊魂》
to play a tour-de-force part like "Cujo"?
在这样电影里献出杰出的表演呢？
I had no idea
我当时完全没想到
how tough it would be.
这部戏会这么难
In a horror film there's a lot-if you're doing it right...
如果拍得好，一部恐怖片里...
there's a lot of emotional work.
是会包含很多情绪的
Your body does not know
你的身体并不知道
you are acting.
你是在演戏
Your brain does not know you are acting.
你的大脑不知道你是在演戏
It goes through
肉体必须经历
every chemical change
每一种出现在
that you would go through in fight-or-flight.
战逃反应中的所有化学反应
So you can imagine
所以你能想象
doing a movie like "Cujo"--
拍一部《狂犬惊魂》这样的电影
six to eight weeks of fight-or-flight
经历了六到八周里的每一分钟
every minute.
都在被战逃反应折磨
There were lots and lots of dogs playing Cujo.
魔犬库丘由许多条狗共同扮演
It's all a big game for them.
拍戏对他们来说就是一场游戏
We had to tie their tails down with fish wire
我们不得不用鱼线牵住他们的尾巴
because they were having a wonderful time
因为他们玩得实在是太开心了
going after their toys.
追着玩具跑
All the dogs were taken much better care of
所有的狗狗演员都被受到了...
than I was.
比我还精心的照顾
I wanna be clear about that.
我想申明这一点
They treated me for exhaustion...
电影拍摄完成后
for three weeks after that movie finished.
我接受了三周的过劳损治疗
It was relentless.
简直毫不留情
And it is,
但这也是
I think my best work and the film I'm most proud of.
我最自豪，也是自认为的最佳作品
Please, God, get me out of here.
上帝，求你救救我
"Cujo" and "The Birds" took harmless animals
《狂犬惊魂》和《群鸟》让无害的动物
and turned them into monsters.
变身为凶残的猛兽
But the ultimate animal-attack story
但是在终极的野兽侵袭片里
features a creature everyone fears
主角则是一种人人都惧怕的动物
Thanks to one landmark horror film.
这都归功于一部里程碑式的恐怖片
In 1975, a young director
在1975年，一名年轻导演
named Steven Spielberg made a film
名叫史蒂芬·斯皮尔伯格
about a giant man-eating shark
拍了一部关于食人巨鲨的电影
Prowling the New England coastline.
潜伏于新英格兰的海岸线
"Jaws" was the first summer blockbuster
《大白鲨》成为了首部夏日票房大片
And it's the ultimate animal attack movie.
和最终极的野兽侵袭电影
"Jaws" is pure cinema.
《大白鲨》才是纯粹的电影
From that opening shot underwater
从片头那个水下镜头开始
and that music, I can't think of an opening of a movie that's
还有那配乐，我想不出还有哪部电影...
More effective than that--
比这段效果还要好
the opening credits of that movie.
就电影的片头字幕这一段
You are probably the most "Jaws"-obsessed person I know.
你可能是我认识的最狂热的《大白鲨》粉丝了
That movie, for me...
那部电影对我来说...
格里高利·尼克特洛
执行制片人/导演
代表作《行尸走肉》
I saw it the second day it was out.
我在上映第二天去看的
My parents went opening night...
我父母在首映那晚看的...
How old were you when you saw it?
你当时看的时候多大年纪？
13.
十三岁
Probably saw it 15 times that summer.
那个夏天我看了足足有十五遍
I remember it, too. I saw it when it came out.
我也记得一上映就去看了
My parents took me. I was ten
我父母带着十岁的我去看的
and my brother was seven.
我弟弟才七岁
I don't know what they were thinking.
我都不知道他们怎么想的
And we--I don't even...
我们...我都没...
-Thank God. -I don't even think we knew
-谢天谢地 -我们甚至不知道...
what it was, and from the kids that went in to that movie
不知道我们要看什么，看完那场电影...
罗布·赞比
编剧/导演
代表作《千尸屋》
-And the kids that came out were not the same. -No.
-...再出来的孩子，已经不可同日而语了
I love "Jaws."
我爱《大白鲨》
大卫·阿奎特
演员
代表作《惊声尖叫》
I was young when I saw it
我第一次看时还很小
and it totally freaked me out.
而且整个人都被吓坏了
The little things, like the coming up
很多小细节，比如慢慢靠近...
on somebody- just the feeling.
蹑手蹑脚靠近一个人...那种感觉
It's not an actual shark coming up
并不是展现一只真正的鲨鱼在潜伏
but you feel like, "She's done."
但是你有种感觉“她玩完了”
Oh, God!
哦，天啊！
It's about this basic
一切都是关于最原始的
human terror.
人类的恐惧
The understanding that we are...
我们只是鲨鱼的零食
乔·希尔
作家 代表作《龙鳞焰火》
a snack for sharks.
当你意识到这点
It hurts!
好疼！
Realizing you are food
意识到你只是食物
is upsetting.
这让人不安
Oh, my God! Oh, God!
哦，我的天！上帝啊！
It blew me away. Just everything about it--
我看完目瞪口呆，电影的一切都...
the fear of the unknown, the fact that you would be
那对于未知的恐惧，想到你在水中时...
in the water and something underneath the water
水下正潜伏着一些未知之物
could be that massive
潜伏着身形巨大的...
that big, that dangerous.
凶猛而危险的巨物
Oh, please help!
谁来救救我！
There's an element where Spielberg was forced
斯皮尔伯格对其中一个元素的展开
into really creative ways
非常具有创意性
埃德加·赖特
编剧/导演 代表作《僵尸肖恩》
of showing suspense
就是对悬疑的表现
because his major special effect didn't work.
正由于他的特效装置效果不好...
And I'm sure he would agree
而且我相信
that if the mechanical shark had worked a bit better
如果他的机械装置效果更好一点
you might have seen the shark more
电影中会看到更多鲨鱼的镜头
and maybe it would be a lesser film.
电影的地位也就不会这样高了
That scene on the beach is-is pure Hitchcock.
那场海滩上的戏非常希区柯克
Get out of the office...
从办公室走出来...
A garbage truck next to the office.
办公室旁的垃圾车
You look at the tricks
如果仔细观察
that Spielberg used in that scene--
会发现斯皮尔伯格在那场戏中
he used every trick in the book
用尽了一切技巧
to just really make sure that you saw
只为确保你能够目睹到
every single thing that was happening
正在发生的每一件事情
but you could do nothing about it.
但是你无能为力
Pippin!
皮聘！
And then when the guy throws the stick for the dog
然后当那个人向狗狗扔了一根木棍
and then it's just like, "Pippin, Pippin."
然后大喊“皮聘 ！皮聘！”
You just see the stick-you're like, "Oh, no."
你看着那根木棍想道“哦，不”
I saw "Jaws" at a really early age
我看《大白鲨》的时候年纪还很小
and my take-away from that was
而看过之后伴随我的想法是
莱恩·图雷克
制片人 怖屋监制出品
"Oh, Jaws eats kids."
“妈呀，《大白鲨》吃小孩”
The way Spielberg shot the death of the kid
斯皮尔伯格对孩童之死的展现
on his yellow raft-I was shell-shocked.
在黄色的小筏上...我被吓呆了
Did you see that?
你看到了吗？
And I was like, "Oh, Jaws is unrelenting."
我当时就说“《大白鲨》真是没有底线”
"He doesn't care who he eats."
“他根本不在乎吃的是谁”
That's it, we're all doomed."
“完了，我们全完了”
Alex?
艾利克斯？
At its core, it's really about
本质上讲，电影其实讲的是
The connective tissue of these characters
联系这些角色的纽带
From a community level
从一个社区的层面
to the family level
到家人的层面
then to these three men
然后是这三个男人
who have taken upon themselves
决定承担起这一重任
to go on a boat and go into the ocean
乘船驶入大洋深处
and hunt this great white shark.
去捕杀这只大白鲨
Slow ahead.
慢速前进
I can go slow ahead. Come on down and
我可以慢速前进，快点过来...
Chum some of this shit.
尝尝这些玩意吧
Not seeing the shark a lot
鲨鱼没有过多地露面
-Was a good thing... -Yeah.
-其实是件好事 -没错
For the audience, 'cause I didn't want to see it anymore.
特别是对观众来说，反正我是不想多看到
'Cause it was too intense.
因为实在是太紧张了
You're going to need a bigger boat.
你需要一条更大的船
Everybody talks about
每个人都在谈论
雷·沃纳尔
编剧/导演 代表作《升级》
how bad this fake shark was.
这条鲨鱼做得有多假
I cannot believe that
我简直无法相信
because the shark looks incredible.
因为那鲨鱼看起来棒极了
It doesn't look fake at all to me.
对我来说一点都不假
That's why "Jaws" has not been remade to this day,
那就是《大白鲨》至今都没有翻拍的原因
Is people don't really want to see a CGI shark.
人们并不想看电脑特效做的鲨鱼
You don't need to see more shark.
你不需要更多鲨鱼的镜头了
And you've seen other shark movies since
等到有了电脑特效时
Where they're CGI sharks and you're like, "Eh"
再看其他特效做的鲨鱼就会“呵呵”
"I'm good."
“我看够了”
"I've already seen Jaws."
“我已经看过《大白鲨》了”
Humans fear the ferocity of nature.
人类畏惧大自然的残酷
It's built into us.
这是我们的天性
But deep down, we know the biggest threat we face
但是在内心深处，我们清楚最大的威胁...
is the one lurking inside us
就潜伏在我们自身之中
The ferocious beast within.
我们内心的残暴野兽
Monsters are metaphors.
怪物是一种隐喻
Name the monster, name the metaphor.
每一种怪物都对应着一种隐喻
约翰·兰迪斯
作家/导演 代表作《美国狼人在伦敦》
Joe Dante recommended that as a game show once.
乔·丹特有次在某个节目里提到过
导演：鲁本·马莫利安
《变身怪医》(1931)
"Jekyll and Hyde" is essentially about
《变身怪医》的主旨其实
psychopharmacology.
是精神病学
"Frankenstein" is...
《科学怪人》则是...
导演：詹姆斯·威尔
《科学怪人》(1931)
Don't fuck with God.
不要违背天理
导演：乔·庄斯顿
《狼人》(2010)
Now werewolves, that's a whole different story.
但是狼人就是完全不同的故事了
I just think werewolves are just the coolest, man.
我认为狼人最酷了
I'm not gonna lie, man, I used to kind of wish
我没开玩笑，在我小时候
as a kid that I had that.
我所有的愿望都是拥有狼人的能力
马库斯·亨德森
演员
代表作《逃出绝命镇》
Like, I just want be a-one of those werewolf people.Like...
我很想成为狼人群族的一员
That look like-go around just looking like
那种威风凛凛的样子
a werewolf all the time, man.
一直都保持狼人形态
Werewolves were always evil.
狼人的形象总是邪恶的
The idea of the werewolf
试想如果狼人并不邪恶
导演：乔治·瓦格纳
《狼人》(1941)
Not as the evil, aggressive perpetrator
并不是充满攻击性
带来死亡的杀手...
Of death and murder but
而是一个诅咒的受害者...
as the victim of a curse...
that's Hollywood screenwriter--
这就是好莱坞编剧...
that's Curt Siodmak's invention with "The Wolfman"
科特·西奥德梅克于四十年代
in the '40s.
所创作的《狼人》
You know, werewolves being killed by silver bullets--
狼人能被银质子弹杀死的设定...
you know where that came from?
你知道这是从哪来的吗？
He was listening to the Lone Ranger
他正听着电影《孤胆奇侠》
who had silver bullets, and he thought
而他使用银质子弹
"That's it. We could melt crucifixes."
“就是这个！我们可以把十字架融化”
So many of Curt Siodmak's inventions
所以许多科特·西奥德梅克的发明
became ancient lore
成为了古老的
of the werewolf.
狼人传说
Curt Siodmak fled Europe
科特·西奥德梅克由于纳粹的威胁
because of the Nazi threat
逃到了欧洲
and in the "Wolfman" films you can see,
而在《狼人》中可以看到
大卫·J·斯卡尔
作家
things that he's very consciously put there.
他有意植入的一些元素
It's no coincidence that a person
一个人的手掌上
is marked for death by the appearance
出现了一颗星形的死亡标记
of a star in their palm.
这情节绝非偶然
Obviously this was a technique
显然这是纳粹常用的
the--the Nazis used.
一种招数
The "Wolfman" films of the '40s
四十年代的《狼人》电影
were a great influence on two horror classics
对后世两部经典恐怖之作产生了巨大影响
both released in 1981.
两部都于1981年上映
"The Howling"
《破胆三次》
and "An American Werewolf in London."
和《美国狼人在伦敦》
With "American Werewolf in London," my intention
对于《美国狼人在伦敦》我的本意是
was that it's much more of a horror film.
作为一部恐怖电影
It happens to be very funny, and that was deliberate
它又很滑稽，而且是我有意这样的
but I don't consider it a comedy.
但我不把它看做一部喜剧
This poor guy went abroad
一个可怜的家伙和朋友
导演：约翰·兰迪斯
《美国狼人在伦敦》(1981)
and travelled with his friend and got bitten
出国旅行的时候被咬了
莱恩·图雷克
制片人 怖屋监制出品
by something unspeakable and monstrous.
被某种凶残而不可言说的怪物咬了
Jack...
杰克...
Once he gets bit,
当他被咬之后
the audience knows that he's doomed.
观众都知道他完蛋了
Tomorrow night's the full moon.
明晚就是满月了
You're gonna change.
你将会变身
You'll become...
你会化身为...
I know. I know.
我知道，我知道
A monster.
一个怪物
"American Werewolf in London," "The Howling"--
《美国狼人在伦敦》《破胆三次》
those movies were--were really
这些电影都诞生于...
格里高利·尼克特洛
执行制片人/导演 代表作《行尸走肉》
the age of make-up effects.
特效化妆的黄金时代
When filmmakers realized
这个时代的电影人意识到
"Wait a minute, we can do anything we want.
“等等，我们可以做任何想做的事”
"We can show a guy turn into a werewolf.
“我们可以展示一个人变成狼人的过程”
We can transform people into zombies."
“我们可以把人变成僵尸”
And you know, up until that point it was nothing really on screen
其实这个时代之前银幕上并没有实质性的内容
It was all left to your imagination.
全都要依靠观众的想象力
"American Werewolf in London" had, uh
《美国狼人在伦敦》由
Rick Baker's effects, and "The Howling"
里克·贝克制作特效
had Rob Bottin-Rick Baker's protégé
《破胆三次》则由里克·贝克的学徒罗伯·博汀
埃德加·赖特
编剧/导演 代表作《僵尸肖恩》
who was doing the effects, so there's some crossover
...来制作特效，所以其中有些交叉
《破胆三次》(1981)
导演：乔·丹特
《美国狼人在伦敦》(1981)
导演：约翰·兰迪斯
that they came out in the same year
两部电影是同年上映的
and they had some of the same effects.
而且有一部分特效是相同的
Help me!
救救我！
Please!
求求你！
Help me!
救救我！
I wanted to show it in real time.
我想要用实景拍摄
I wanted it to be extremely painful.
我想让这一段看起来极其痛苦
道格·琼斯
演员
代表作《水形物语》
Rick Baker did that nose extension, uh--
里克·贝克制作的那段伸长的鼻子...
oh, gosh, that was a beautiful piece of--of practical work.
天哪，那一段完成得可真是漂亮
I remember watching that in the theater going
我还记得那段时整场的观众都惊呼
"How did they do that?"
“这是怎么做到的？”
The actual head
真正的头
would change from within.
是从内部开始变化的
米克·加里斯
主创
代表作《恐怖大师》
It would have mechanics in it
头部里面有机械装置
that would expand or- or alter the shape.
能够伸长或者改变形状
To me it's like it's--
对我来说那是...
it's one of my favorite movies of all time.
我最喜欢的电影片段之一
It's kind of funny, it's sweet
电影有一点滑稽，有一点可爱
and then it's really scary.
并且非常的恐怖
And then it's kind of bleak.
然后又有一点悲凉
I love you, David.
我爱你，大卫
And then it has, like, a sort of a--
然后电影有有着...
you know, a terribly sad ending
非常令人悲伤的结尾
like most "Wolfman" movies.
跟大部分狼人电影一样
导演：乔·丹特
《破胆三次》(1981)
Joe Dante's "The Howling" is famous
乔·丹特的《破胆三次》
for its terrifying werewolves
以其恐怖的狼人形象...
And a post-modern self-awareness
以及后现代主义的自我认知所著名
we would later see in films like "Scream."
之后在《惊声尖叫》一类的电影中也能看到
...is bitten by a werewolf and lives
从一头狼人口中活下来
becomes a werewolf himself.
最后自己也成为了一头狼人
"The Howling" was the first movie where the characters
《破胆三次》是第一部电影中的角色
乔·丹特
导演
代表作《破胆三次》
Don't have to go to the doctor and ask what a werewolf is
不用去找医生问什么是狼人的电影
and the first movie where the characters, uh
也是第一部电影中角色
are not behind the audience.
没有落后于观众的
It's 80...
我在林鸽街...
Quist...
80号...
"The Howling" was a perfectly-timed...
《破胆三次》是一部节奏完美的...
Movie about the California
关于发生在加州的
self-help movement period.
“自助”运动的时期
It's a great satire and mockery of that.
这是对运动的一次嘲讽与嘲笑
It's a cult where people all
这是一种邪教
Get behind somebody who they think is going to...
人们躲在一些他们认为能够...
Change their lives and--
改变他们人生的人背后
Transform them and, uh...
这些人能让他们改变...
They're actually all werewolves
他们其实都是狼人
and he's trying to get them to, um
他希望能让狼人们...
adjust to modern life
适应现代生活
and not have to, you know...
而不是...你懂的
Kill the mailman and eat him.
把邮递员杀了吃掉
It's a perfect cast. Dee Wallace, uh...
电影有着完美的卡司，迪·沃伦斯...
who got "E.T." off of that movie...
后来还因此得到了《E.T.》的角色...
What attracted me to "The Howling"
《破胆三次》吸引我的一点是...
was I never looked at it
迪·沃伦斯
演员
代表作《破胆三次》
我从未将电影看做...
as a werewolf movie.
一部狼人故事
I looked at it as a movie
我将它看做
about....
是关于...
Good and evil within us...
我们内心的...
and the battle
正邪之争
that goes on consistently
这种抗衡会一直持续下去
in which one's gonna win.
直到有一方获胜
That notion, uh, that a person
那种想法...如果有一个人
that you think that you know are a--
一个你以为你认识的人
凯瑟琳·哈德威克
导演 代表作《暮光之城》
could shape-shift and change on you--
当着你的面变形
obviously a metaphor for a person
当然这是一种比喻
that seems very charming
表面上光鲜亮丽
or very, uh, you know, sophisticated
或者是久经世故...
and cultured, and then in the privacy
或者是教养有加...然而在私底下
of their own hotel room
在他们的宾馆房间里
they can shift into a monster.
他们会变身成一个怪物
The werewolf metaphor reflects our fear of the beast within.
狼人的隐喻反映出我们对于内心猛兽的恐惧
the primal animal held incheck
那种被社会规则囚禁于体内的
by society's rules.
原始动物
Some horror films go even further
有些恐怖电影甚至更进一步
Showing us humans can be as monstrous
向我们展现了人类的在对抗未知生物时
as the creatures they fight.
会成为怎样的怪物
What makes a monster?
是什么让我们变成了怪物？
It's a question filmmakers have explored
这是电影人们自从电影诞生
since the early days of cinema.
就一直在探索的问题
King Kong was a savage beast
金刚是一头残暴的猛兽
whose tender heart proved no match
但是当遇到金发美女和战斗机时
for a blonde and biplanes.
还是败下阵来
He's alive!
他活过来了！
Frankenstein's monster was a toddler in a giant's body,
弗兰肯斯坦的怪物是有着婴孩头脑的巨人
Rejected by his creator...
被他的造物主抛弃...
Looking for love and finding only violence
追寻爱情，到头来却只受到暴力
and death.
...和死亡
In recent times, Guillermo del Toro
而在近代，吉尔莫·德尔·托罗
has made a series of horror films
创作了一系列的恐怖片
exploring the nature of monstrosity.
探寻了怪物与兽性的本质
It's the theme of his Academy Award-winning picture
这就是获得奥斯卡最佳长篇电影的主题
"The Shape of Water."
《水形物语》
导演：吉尔莫·德尔·托罗
《水形物语》(2017)
The film pits a monster
电影中的怪物
who's ugly on the outside
虽然外表丑陋
against a man who's ugly on the inside.
但所对抗之人，其丑陋之处在于内心
This is what scares you, huh?
你怕的就是这个，是吗？
Gee, you should be used to it by now.
天哪，你早应该习惯了
It asks
电影发出了灵魂拷问
"Which would you rather be?"
“你愿意做哪一种？”
What's wonderful about del Toro's, uh
托罗过人的一点就是...
Gill man, for the lack of a better word
那个腮人...姑且先这么叫
is that he is so real
他是如此的真诚
Thanks to the amazing performance
感谢由道格·琼斯所带来的
by Doug Jones.
精彩的演绎
The pantomime skills--
那种哑剧式的表演...
it's so realistic, so other-worldly.
非常的真实，像是来自异界
When Guillermo first told me about "The Shape of Water,"
当吉尔莫最初跟我提到《水形物语》时
道格·琼斯
演员
代表作《水形物语》
he was very, very specific to say, "Dougie,"
他非常具体地跟我描述“道吉...”
"You're going to be playing..."
“你饰演的将是...”
'The romantic leading man of this movie."
“这部浪漫爱情电影的男主角”
I was like, "Oh."
我想道“呃...”
"Ooh, in--in a fish suit? Is this possible?"
“穿着鱼人装？这行得通吗？”
But again, I knew, "Okay, this is coming
但是我知道“好的，这可是...”
"from Guillermo del Toro-this is gonna work.
“吉尔莫·德尔·托罗的主意，这肯定可以的”
He's gonna make this work."
“他会想办法让这行得通的”
Guillermo kept telling me-didn't want to see human.
吉尔莫一直跟我强调他不希望看到人性
"Dougie, no human."
“道吉，不要拟人”
And what he might do to remind me
他提醒我这一点的方式
he would just give me like a--a little growl
他会给我一声...小小的低吠
To remind me, "Oh, yes, right.
来提醒我“噢，对了”
Non-human, I gotta-okay, right."
“不要像人，好的我懂了”
For instance, there was a-a particular scene where
比如说，在一段场景里
Richard Jenkins' character is talking to me.
理查德·詹金斯的角色在对着我说话
Do you know what happened to you? Do you?
你知道你发生什么事了吗？知道吗？
Because I don't. I don't know what happened to me.
反正我是不知道，我不知道我发生什么了
I don't know.
我不知道
I look in the mirror and the only thing that I recognize
我照着镜子，唯一能认出来的
Are these eyes.
只有这两只眼睛
I--I got caught up in his story--
我听他的故事听到入迷...
his monologue was so beautiful and so beautifully delivered
他的独白非常动听，说得非常好
that I--I kept wanting to go, "Hmm.
我一直想要“嗯不错...”
Yeah." And that would have been
但那对角色来说
the wrong body language for this character
是一种不该出现的肢体语言
so I had to think-I had to think, uh
于是我开始思考...我开始想
"How would the family dog respond?"
“家里的宠物会是什么样的反应？”
Sometimes I think I was either born too early
有时候我觉得自己不是生得太早了
or too late for my life.
就是生得太迟了
Guillermo has a real appreciation
吉尔莫对于怪物带着一种
约翰·兰迪斯
编剧/导演 代表作《美国狼人在伦敦》
and passionate love of monsters.
真心的欣赏与热爱
"The Shape of Water" is-is basically
《水形物语》基本上是...
the romantic side
《黑湖妖谭》的
of "The Creature from the Black Lagoon."
浪漫版本
导演：杰克·阿诺德
《黑湖妖谭》(1954)
There he is!
他在那！
Hearing Guillermo del Toro talk about his first time
吉尔莫·德尔·托罗谈到自己第一次
seeing "The Creature from the Black Lagoon"--
观看《黑湖妖谭》时
he was about six years old watching on TV in Mexico.
是在他六岁那年在墨西哥的电视上
His first image of seeing Julie Adams swimming
他对于朱莉·亚当斯正在...
on the top of the surface of the water
湖水的水面部分游泳
and the creature swimming under her
而那怪物就在她身下游着时
would be a horrifying image to most of us
对多数人来说都是一副骇人的光景
but to him it was like
但对他来说简直是...
"That's so beautiful."
“这真是太美了”
And he really wanted those two to get together.
并且他非常希望这两个角色能在一起
And when the movie played out to be not that...
而当电影并没有朝这个方向发展时
He was like, "What?" He was--
他大吃一惊“什么？”
He was outraged, as a six-year-old boy.
一个六岁的小孩，简直气坏了
Making "The Shape of Water"
《水形物语》的创作
is like a 46-year journey into righting that wrong.
就像是花了46年时间来纠正这个错误
And all of Guillermo's best movies
吉尔莫所有的佳作
feel like they come from the heart.
都像是真心诚意写出的故事
"Pan's Labyrinth"
《潘神的迷宫》
米克·加里斯
主创
代表作《恐怖大师》
is about a child
是关于一个孩子的故事
but it's not a children's film at all.
但绝不是一部儿童电影
Another view of "Alice in Wonderland."
这是《爱丽丝梦游仙境》的另一个解读
Little girl goes into the rabbit hole
一个小女孩进到兔子洞里
And encounters a new race of people.
然后遇到了没见过的一群人
Hola?
你好？
There's a monster in "Pan's Labyrinth"
《潘神的迷宫》中有一个怪物
乔·希尔
作家 代表作《龙鳞焰火》
called "the pale man..."
叫做“苍白男人”
who is this tall
他体型高大...
obscenely pale figure...
外形苍白到猥亵...
Who has eyeballs in his hands.
而且眼球长在手心里
He's blind up here, but he can look at you
他的脑袋是盲的，但他可以...
when he opens his hands,
张开双手来看你
And his mouth is full of fangs.
他的嘴里长满獠牙
I don't normally get creeped out watching my own work
我一般不会被我自己出演的作品吓到
But...
但是...
the pale man made me go...
苍白男人让我浑身都...
Right? Which is--so...
是不是？但是这...
Somebody did something right if-
如果我自己都能有这种反应
If I can get that reaction out of myself.
那说明有人做了正确的努力
Both in "Pan's Labyrinth" and "The Shape of Water"
《潘神的迷宫》和《水形物语》中
The antagonist in both stories
两个故事的男主角都是
Is a handsome leading man
一个外表英俊的领导者
That you would think would be the one
会让人觉得这个人
Who's got it all together...
一切尽在掌握中...
and, uh, they're actually heartless and mean
然而他们事实上冷酷而恶毒
and narcissistic and absorbed with themselves
极度自恋，以自我为中心
and will do anything to get ahead
并且为了抢在他人前面
At everyone else's expense around them.
愿意做出任何事情
That's a monster.
这才是怪物
That's a true monster.
这才是真正的怪物
You know, Michael Shannon as the FBI agent
迈克尔·珊农饰演的FBI探员角色
埃德加·赖特
编剧/导演 代表作《僵尸肖恩》
literally starts rotting in front of our eyes.
字面意义上的开始腐烂了
His fingers start falling off...
他的手指开始脱落...
To have the guy in the rubber suit
当穿着橡胶服演怪物的人
be the sympathetic one while that monster is--
成为了观众所同情的那个
is after him, that's a great twist of--
而抓捕他的人类成了真正的怪物...
of storytelling that del Toro has really tapped into.
这种转换是托罗真正想挖掘的
I think horror films are very good
我认为恐怖片很擅长于
at giving a voice to the voiceless
为无法发声的群体发声
and empowering the weak.
为弱势群体赋予力量
We all have some kind of monster or demon
我们都有某种怪物或者心魔
that plagues us in some way
以某种方式折磨着我们
But to realize, "With the right dagger
但是能想到“如果利用合适的武器”
I can kill that demon, so I'm gonna."
“我就能将心魔杀死，所以我要付诸行动”
Right?
是不是？
That's what a horror film teaches me.
这就是恐怖片所教会我的
Monsters embody our deepest fears
怪物脱胎于我们最深层的恐惧
the fears we can't or won't face
那些我们无法战胜的恐惧
the primal fears we need to repress to stay sane.
为了保持理智而努力抑制的原始恐惧
Fears of weakness and vulnerability.
对软弱和脆弱的恐惧
Fears of being shunned by society.
对被社会所疏离的恐惧
Fears of giving in to our worst impulses.
对屈服于内心最糟糕冲动的恐惧
When the monster is defeated
当怪物被击败时
We win a small victory...
我们就在生而为人的恐惧中
Over the terror of being human.
赢得了小小的胜利